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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  U16_Bra on Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:26 pm

:O That would be sooooo... bittersweet. It would be sweet to see a BraBuu, but then losing bra would be bitter and very sad. Sad

Some BraBuu fanart would be epic. bounce

I wonder what he/she would look like? affraid

P.S what is the Signature BB-Code?
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Stick on Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:43 pm

I think lamp would be a very good basis to work from....
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  SSJ Your Nick on Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:01 pm

Todays page would suggest about Gohans level.

Beyond if she can go SSJ2 and 3 obviously.

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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Ussj Future Trunks on Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:07 am

yeah shes equal to gohan in regular ssj. so thats pretty insanely strong.

and i hope bra will put up a shield and rescue everyone in U4.

i guess buu with bra's outfit would look hilarious.
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Docter KillJoy on Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:41 am






possibilities....although there is also the chance buu woudn't grow boobs just because he absorbs a girl
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Ussj Future Trunks on Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:08 am

yeah...hes probably got millions of girls inside him. but bra would give him the biggest power jump.
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Pikuhan vs Piccolo on Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:21 pm

SSJ1 bra working in tandem with Ult.Gohan might not be as good an indicator as we'ld like.

I recall Gohan and Krillin attacking well together with one significantly stronger than the time. It could be the same here.

if SSJ1 bra = 60% Ult.gohan
then SSJ2 bra = 120% Ult.gohan
and... SSJ3 bra = 480% Ult.gohan

i am reluctant to give bra SSJ3 when Vegeta may not have an equivalent, but

however the implications of bra sparing with SSJ1 Vegetto could mean...

SSJ2 or SSJ3 bra ~ RSSJ1 Vegetto
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Leon on Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:47 pm

Going over some of the old comments, Salagir actually states he believes SSj2 is way more than 2x SSj, and SSj3 is way more than than 4x SSj2.

He may have changed his mind since, but that was his last official word on it.
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Pikuhan vs Piccolo on Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:14 pm

for sake of discussion this was my initial thoughts on how SSJ levels grew.

conservatively
max base = .25x SSJ1
SSJ1 = 4x max base PL; 50x rested base
*ASSJ1 = 1.5x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
*USSJ1 = 2x SSJ1 [but grossly unbalance]
*MSSJ1 = ~1.75x SSJ1 [balanced]
*LSSJ1 = ~2.25x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
SSJ2 = 2.25x SSJ1 [balanced]
**ASSJ2 = 2.75x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
**USSJ2 = 3.25x SSJ1 [but grossly unbalance]
**MSSJ2 = ~3.5 x SSJ1 [balanced]
**LSSJ2 = ~3.75x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
SSJ3 = 4x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]

note: I don't follow this any more

liberally
max base = .5x SSJ1
SSJ1 = 2x max base PL; 50x rested base
*ASSJ1 = 2x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
*USSJ1 = 3x SSJ1 [but grossly unbalance]
*MSSJ1 = 2~3x SSJ1 [balanced]
*LSSJ1 = 3~4x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
SSJ2 = 4x SSJ1 [balanced]
**ASSJ2 = 5x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
**USSJ2 = 6x SSJ1 [but grossly unbalance]
**MSSJ2 = 7x SSJ1 [balanced]
**LSSJ2 = 8x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
SSJ3 = 9x SSJ1 [unbalanced]
**OSSJ* = 10x SSJ1

note: I don't follow this any more either
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Docter KillJoy on Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:54 am

Pikuhan vs Piccolo wrote:for sake of discussion this was my initial thoughts on how SSJ levels grew.

conservatively
max base = .25x SSJ1
SSJ1 = 4x max base PL; 50x rested base
*ASSJ1 = 1.5x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
*USSJ1 = 2x SSJ1 [but grossly unbalance]
*MSSJ1 = ~1.75x SSJ1 [balanced]
*LSSJ1 = ~2.25x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
SSJ2 = 2.25x SSJ1 [balanced]
**ASSJ2 = 2.75x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
**USSJ2 = 3.25x SSJ1 [but grossly unbalance]
**MSSJ2 = ~3.5 x SSJ1 [balanced]
**LSSJ2 = ~3.75x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
SSJ3 = 4x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]

note: I don't follow this any more

liberally
max base = .5x SSJ1
SSJ1 = 2x max base PL; 50x rested base
*ASSJ1 = 2x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
*USSJ1 = 3x SSJ1 [but grossly unbalance]
*MSSJ1 = 2~3x SSJ1 [balanced]
*LSSJ1 = 3~4x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
SSJ2 = 4x SSJ1 [balanced]
**ASSJ2 = 5x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
**USSJ2 = 6x SSJ1 [but grossly unbalance]
**MSSJ2 = 7x SSJ1 [balanced]
**LSSJ2 = 8x SSJ1 [but unbalanced]
SSJ3 = 9x SSJ1 [unbalanced]
**OSSJ* = 10x SSJ1

note: I don't follow this any more either

problem with LSSJ is that we don't know what the increase is. and what number the constant growth is.
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  VegetaSSJ3 on Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:23 pm

Why Vegeto forbade Bra to go to the "Next Level"?

If it was only the SSJ2, it would be weird (even Gohan can control himsel in SSJ2).

Remember that Salagir put a limit on the Sayajin (Gohan is at his top, and Goku and Vegeta should be at their top too now).

So even if Bra is the child of a fusion, she should have the same limitation.

Why Bra is still "just" SSJ for now?

The only solution that I find is: she is Legendary SSJ.

Yes there should be only one LSSJ every thousand years, but she is the child of a fusion so it should make her LSSJ.

By the way it perfectly explain why Vegeto forbade her to go to this level.
And it would also explain why she want to go at this level: it is likely that at this level she will be so legendarised that she will not need to breath (like Broly).
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Syrias on Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:38 pm

i kinda think the same. something like LSSJ. something that is not controlable by bra. i mean uber super raging about pans death is called a usual tantrum. now vegetto shows concern about something he explicitly forbade her to do. if it was only ssj2 or ussj, i dont think he would be that concerned. but we will see.
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Docter KillJoy on Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:14 pm

hmmm so those female broly pics i have are now bra? Razz


her having lssj didn't cross my mind before. but vegetto warning her from using it, does mean that what ever form she wants to transform to. means she loses control over herself. either turning in a mindless berserker like broly. or just having no control over her power.

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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Ussj Future Trunks on Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:31 pm

i guess im probably right about bra having some new level specific to her. this should be epic Very Happy .its something dangerous like ssj3 or maybe quasi-lssj (not all the way there). its def not ussj or ssj2 then.

sigh...people on the comments are still saying ssj4. when will they get that gt isnt counted here?

maybe he forbade her cos he doesnt want her killing zen buu, since he wants to fight buu Razz.
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Hyp3rB14d3 on Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:30 am

I'm going to reserve judgement on Bra's strength until they reveal what the transformation actually is.
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Docter KillJoy on Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:53 am

it does reveal a favoritism to u16, they can all be as strong as they want(aka salagir wants). but the other universes get the short end of the stick or a lame excuse of diminishing results Neutral
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Leon on Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:27 am

Well. Vegeto probably had diminishing results as well. He just has such an ungodly lead to begin with it doesn't mater a whole lot.

The Gohans are equal.

Which...means only character you're really complaining about is Bra. It's not exactly like that's out of left field. Gohan surpassed Goku at, like, 11. Bra is closer to what, 18? And despite hardcore training, she isn't stronger than her father.

Odds are, a Mystic Bra would be > SSj3 Vegeto. It seems as though despite having a very high cap, she has a similar growth rate to other characters, meaning she won't be hitting such a ridiculous level of power until well after the tourney.

Even without some sort of special transformation, Bra's SSj2 was bound to be in the same league as Vegeto's SSj1.
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Ussj Future Trunks on Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:58 am

yeah..i dont see ssj2 being stronger than vegetto's ssj1...but if this is something entirely new, then i dont know. maybe a little stronger but she cant control it?

lol yamcha vs 18 seems so unimportant to me right now. i just cant care less till one of the gotenks fight, or bra, or raditz.
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  U16_Bra on Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:27 pm

Bra is epic. Her transformation... interests me greatly.

@ USSJ Future Trunks: maybe he forbade her cos he doesnt want her killing zen buu, since he wants to fight buu . Razz

I agree with you there. Like you say the only reason I can see Vegeto forbidding Bra to ascend is the fact that she is stronger than Buu in SSj2.
Because I think Vegeto has reserved the right to kill Buu himself Razz

@ Leon: you have said an interesting point here:
Gohan surpassed Goku at, like, 11. Bra is closer to what, 18? And despite hardcore training, she isn't stronger than her father.

You really got me thinking there, is Bra stronger than Vegeto Razz As insane as it sounds, I would like to believe it.
Hmmm, it's possible, like you say if Gohan surpassed his father by the time he was 11, then why the hell can't Bra do it at age 18?
affraid

@ USSJ Future Trunks: sigh...people on the comments are still saying ssj4. when will they get that gt isnt counted here?

Didn't Bra say she was taking it to the next level? She is only in SSJ1 now.
Even if Bra was to (hopes she doesn't) transform into SSJ4, isn't that 3 levels?
"I'm taking it to the next level" SSJ2 is the next level.
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Side note: Bra's "annoyingness"

Post  Nate (son) on Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:08 pm

Looking at the posts on the comment section I've noticed that people (regardless of gender apparently) think that Bra is annoying, Dull, sue-ish or all the above.

When people say she's a Mary Sue I think they may be referring to these:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodModeSue (speculated power)

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrattyHalfPint (what we've seen of her attitude)

In essence, fans seem to speculate that she's like GT Pan with Goku level strength. I think unfortunately strong-willed, young, powerful female characters seem to have these qualities just by design, albeit unintentionally. On the other hand, more "successful" female characters are usually dull (like 18) or fan service (Chi-chi and Bulma early on). We can't judge Bra/Bulla now but is it possible to have a non-annoying strong female characters in the DBZ franchise and the likes?

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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Hyp3rB14d3 on Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:48 pm

Well, there's DBM's Pan... er Pans... no wait, Pan. Do we count the dead one still, or not? They were essentially the same character, other than the fact that the one was much stronger than the other.
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Ussj Future Trunks on Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:29 am

I'm taking it to the next level" SSJ2 is the next level.
its not. why would vegetto forbid it if we are wrong about vegetto forbidding it just to kill buu himself? its probably something she cant control ie whatever goku was vs lord slug, or quasi-legendary ssj.

bra is far from mary sue status. if you want to call someone too perfect or too strong, i would say vegetto.

and i didnt come to dbm expecting deep character development but we might see bra become more mature over the course of the comic.

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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Docter KillJoy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:50 am

i can imagine the slugfest with broly if she turns out to have lssj.

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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Ussj Future Trunks on Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:32 am

unfortunately brolys invulnerable so bra will lose inevitably.
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Re: How strong is Bra?

Post  Docter KillJoy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:18 am

but bra would be invunerable also if she had lssj Rolling Eyes
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