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Post  Ussj Future Trunks on Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:42 am

well obviously it means one thing. bra = AT LEAST mystic gohan. and didnt salagir say he doesnt think goku caught up to mystic gohan during those years he was training uub?

zOMG bra is teh strngest!!!11!
no one said that. even im smart enough to know zen buu, broly and vegetto are stronger.

This would point towards Bra and Pan being somewhat similar in power
well we already know bra fought with ssj vegetto. pan lost to someone far weaker than kid gohan. the gap is ridiculous. even a non serious zen buu cant be hurt by U16 pan.

she is an unfused half-saiyan and will not be stronger than Gohan.
shes in regular ssj and equal at least to gohan. who knows? maybe shes just as serious as zen buu and hasnt begun to show us her true power. she didnt really power up did she? just appeared in space in ssj form. so that means shes not fighting at full power probably. we'll see...
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Post  Docter KillJoy on Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:11 pm

i have a feeling that she only has super saiyan. and that as a ssj she is around 85 - 90% of gohan.

sure vegetto uses ssj against her in training. there is NO proof he is forced to used it. or that he needs to use 100% of his ssj form against her during training.

he probaly opted from the start to use it, to improve her training, and probaly only uses 35% of his max power. or else he would end up killing her.

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Post  Hyp3rB14d3 on Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:08 pm

Ussj Future Trunks wrote:well obviously it means one thing. bra = AT LEAST mystic gohan. and didnt salagir say he doesnt think goku caught up to mystic gohan during those years he was training uub?
Bra is not as strong as Gohan. If she was, Gohan would not have offered to let her vent some stress by beating on him, he would have let Vegetto handle it.

Bra kicking off Buu's head means nothing. Bullets pass through Buu and leave holes. Goku in his base form was able to cut Buu in half. That's just the kind of body Buu has: one that comes apart easy, but doesn't actually take damage unless hit by an absolutely absurd amount of force.
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Post  Ussj Future Trunks on Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:05 am

i have a feeling that she only has super saiyan.
for 10 freaking years of training with her ssj father? maybe she mastered it to the point where her ssj1 is as strong as whatever power level she would be if she powered up further to ssj3. as in maxed out ssj1. rendering it useless to go further as it wouldnt change her power level...like a mystic ssj?

If she was, Gohan would not have offered to let her vent some stress by beating on him,
she was not in a life or death fight and obviously wouldnt kill her own brother. being stronger doesnt mean she will punch gohan's head off. cmon now!

Bra kicking off Buu's head means nothing.
shes obviously close enough in power to do so. majin vegeta's punches on fat buu did nothing but a few dents so obviously the gap between non serious zen buu and gohan/bra is less than the gap between fat buu and majin vegeta.

there is NO proof he is forced to used it. or that he needs to use 100% of his ssj form against her during training.
well no not till we see a U16 special chapter or see bra/vegetto explain it. but gohan's quote suggested that he was. "hes never used ssj2, not even against bra". meaning imo bra is somewhat of a challenge for ssj1 vegetto to fight off.
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Post  Hyp3rB14d3 on Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:22 am

Ussj Future Trunks wrote:
If she was, Gohan would not have offered to let her vent some stress by beating on him,
she was not in a life or death fight and obviously wouldnt kill her own brother. being stronger doesnt mean she will punch gohan's head off. cmon now!
You've clearly never taken a serious hit from someone of similar strength to you. And I don't mean like in a fight, I mean just stood there and taken a serious hit. You can be injured pretty badly with a single hit if you just stand there and take it. And you can also be injured pretty severely without being in risk of dying. And don't say Gohan was just sure she would back down. If he was, he would not have powered up before making the offer.

Bra kicking off Buu's head means nothing.
Ussj Future Trunks wrote:shes obviously close enough in power to do so. majin vegeta's punches on fat buu did nothing but a few dents so obviously the gap between non serious zen buu and gohan/bra is less than the gap between fat buu and majin vegeta.
Just like bullets are close enough in power to Majin Buu to rip holes in him, Goku in base is strong enough to cut Buutenks in half, and Vegeta at SSJ2 was strong enough to blast Kid Buu into tiny pieces. While conversely, Gohan didn't effortlessly rip through Super Buu when he was actually damaging him. Nor did SSJ3 Gotenks for that matter. Bra kicking Buu's head off means absolutely nothing. And that goes double since Buu was already in the process of separating himself into multiple pieces.

there is NO proof he is forced to used it. or that he needs to use 100% of his ssj form against her during training.
Ussj Future Trunks wrote:well no not till we see a U16 special chapter or see bra/vegetto explain it. but gohan's quote suggested that he was. "hes never used ssj2, not even against bra". meaning imo bra is somewhat of a challenge for ssj1 vegetto to fight off.
That's not what that means. What that means is that since there haven't been any serious threats since Majin Buu and Gohan doesn't ever train (and by extension, spar), Bra is the strongest opponent Vegetto has faced since Buu.

There has been no evidence whatsoever that Bra is stronger than Gohan. It's been implied that Bra is strong, but nothing more.
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Post  Docter KillJoy on Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:55 pm

it's like talking to a wall. he won't listen anyway Razz all he wants to hear is. bra strongest EVUR geek
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Post  Ussj Future Trunks on Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:24 am

You can be injured pretty badly with a single hit if you just stand there and take it
exactly why he powered up. so he could brace for bra's hits. better being hurt than dooming pan to never be resurrected.

guess so (about buu). we'll just have to wait for bra's match for the truth of her strength.

Bra is the strongest opponent Vegetto has faced since Buu
exactly. and obviously base isnt enough for either of them. im sure vegetto didnt power up out of spite to beat the shit out of his daughter.

and obviously gohan hasnt increased at all and would be nothing compared to base vegetto if we go by U18 battle with majin buu. the fact that he actually powered up (serious or not) tells us alot about bra's strength compared to gohan.

dr killjoy - i am listening...i even have stood corrected about a few things so you cant say i dont listen, and obviously i dont think bra's power is maximum or more than broly or her father.




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Post  Hyp3rB14d3 on Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:35 am

Yes. That Vegetto used SSJ against Bra implies that SSJ Bra is stronger than Vegetto's base form. However, there is nothing in cannon to imply that Gohan isn't also stronger than Vegetto's base form.

You cited the battle between Vegetto and Majin Buu as proof that Vegetto is stronger in base than Gohan Buu, and by extension, Gohan. Anime filler is not canonical to Dragon Ball Multiverse. And in the manga, Vegetto goes SSJ exactly two pages after fusing, before ever laying a finger on Buu. SSJ is a fifty times multiplier, and Gohan Buu is at best double Gohan's strength. So what does the manga tell us?
Vegetto * 50 > Gohan * 2
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Post  Ussj Future Trunks on Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:12 am

proof that Vegetto is stronger in base than Gohan Buu
didnt say that. but i assume his base is stronger than buutenks or at least equal, who made gohan look like nothing.
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Post  Hyp3rB14d3 on Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:21 am

Yes. You assume. There is no actual evidence of this. Goku and Vegeta never fought Super Buu at all in the manga.
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Post  Ussj Future Trunks on Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:59 am

well obviously. this isnt a crime scene lol. im just making a guess based on what i know about buu saga power levels. jesus...
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Post  Docter KillJoy on Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:02 pm

I asume it goes like this

Ssj vegetto > gohanbuu > vegetto > gotenksbuu > gohan > kid buu > piccolobuu > gotenks/super buu > goku ssj3 > grey buu > fat buu
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Post  Hyp3rB14d3 on Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:49 pm

From what we've seen and been told in the series, the powers go like this:
SSJ Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku = Fat Buu > Gotenks > Majin Vegeta > Mr. Buu

Unfortunately, this doesn't give us a placement for Vegetto in his base form, or tell us whether or not he is stronger in his base form than Gohan.

Here's where you have to think a little. Gotenks, the fusion of Trunks and Goten, being a fusion, is very, very strong. Strong enough that in base form, he managed to survive attacking Majin Buu (although he got the crap kicked out of him, he still did better than Vegeta). Now, SSJ3 is something like a 400 times multiplier. So SSJ3 Gotenks is crazy strong. And Gohan is stronger than him by a sizable amount (enough so that while Gotenks was just barely able to outfight Super Buu, Gohan was able to handle him easily). Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Goten and Trunks, so Vegetto should be stronger than Gotenks. However, is Vegetto more than 400 times stronger than Gotenks? If so, then maybe his base form is stronger than Gohan. But personally, I highly, highly doubt it.
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Post  Bartholomew on Mon Aug 23, 2010 4:24 pm

Here's where you have to think a little. Gotenks, the fusion of Trunks and Goten, being a fusion, is very, very strong. Strong enough that in base form, he managed to survive attacking Majin Buu (although he got the crap kicked out of him, he still did better than Vegeta). Now, SSJ3 is something like a 400 times multiplier. So SSJ3 Gotenks is crazy strong. And Gohan is stronger than him by a sizable amount (enough so that while Gotenks was just barely able to outfight Super Buu, Gohan was able to handle him easily). Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Goten and Trunks, so Vegetto should be stronger than Gotenks. However, is Vegetto more than 400 times stronger than Gotenks? If so, then maybe his base form is stronger than Gohan. But personally, I highly, highly doubt it.
I envy you for being able to say it that clearly. I totally agree with you Smile
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